He's back! Maxx Crosby merged superthread

[Corleone]

Tank is full speed ahead!

[Attyla]

Says the guy who wrote, "all he did was miss a day of work". Now thats some epic revisionist history to suit an agenda.

No, you wrote some bullshit that got called out

[Attyla]

Why did he post that video when he did? What was he trying to say?

Dear God. He missed a day of work and posted a video.

If he were a pirate, he should walk the plank. If he was John Wick, he should be shot. If he was Hannibal Lecter he should eat his hand.

Oh the horror.

[Sir Raider Duck, OMS]

Isn't there an old adage in sports that sometimes others have to step in to save a player from himself?

In one of Madden's books, he mentioned that as a rookie head coach, he'd always run into the field whenever a player got hurt. One of the doctors finally told him to stop doing that, saying (roughly) "If a player sees you, he won't be honest with me. He'll say he's OK even if he's not because he doesn't want to disappoint you."

Maxx obviously wanted to play, but the subsequent surgery proved there was a legitimate medical excuse for shutting him down. Imagine if we hadn't shut him down and he'd seriously injured himself.

He's a diva. A lot of great players are. Not the worst thing in the world, either. I'd rather have a diva who cares about the team than some guy who says "We lost. Meh."

[Attyla]

In one of Madden's books, he mentioned that as a rookie head coach, he'd always run into the field whenever a player got hurt. One of the doctors finally told him to stop doing that, saying (roughly) "If a player sees you, he won't be honest with me. He'll say he's OK even if he's not because he doesn't want to disappoint you."

Maxx obviously wanted to play, but the subsequent surgery proved there was a legitimate medical excuse for shutting him down. Imagine if we hadn't shut him down and he'd seriously injured himself.

He's a diva. A lot of great players are. Not the worst thing in the world, either. I'd rather have a diva who cares about the team than some guy who says "We lost. Meh."

That particular injury would not have gotten significantly worse had he played. If we had been in the hunt he would have played. But he posted a video, if he were a Jedi Knight, he would have had his light saber taken from him for a week!!!

But yea, like many of them, I think he has some diva in him.

[Cruisin with Tooz]

I mean the lies about his leadership aren’t doing you any favours

He lead when he is on the field & from what we know about off the field from his teammates who around him way more than you he is a great leader as well

You talk about his loyalty to the team & doing whats right for the team but why should players show loyalty to who they play for as they could be cut or traded in a moment without say so

I guarantee no one will be complaining about being loyal & doing what is right for the team when we are showing Geno the door

If we trade him for good value then great if we dont then great it is win win either way at that moment in time

There is a difference between being the leader and good leadership. Just because you are a leader, it doesn't mean you have good leadership qualities. Josh McDaniels was our leader. Did he have good leadership qualities? Crosby is the de facto leader because he's the best player, at least on that side of the ball. But based upon this episode and other instances where he has inserted himself into decisions that were not his to make, and the way he issued veiled threats and tried to throw his weight around to strong arm leverage a decision he desired, I don't see him as someone with the desirable leadership qualities that I want in a player-leader to spearhead a total youth movement rebuild. The player-leader needs to be in sync with management. There shouldn't be any daylight between him and management. He has to be like the drill sergeant. The one who tows the line, enforcing discipline and making sure others aren't talking out of turn. Crosby doesn't even have the discipline and temperament to stop himself from talking out of turn, so he's not the leader to lead this rebuild. He has even gone on record admitting he doesn't want to be part of another rebuild. Let that sink in for a moment. And yet inexplicably, look how many fans insist he's the man for the job.

The crux of this issue is the video. What message do you think he was trying to convey in that video? Look at the facts. He was IRed. It was reported that he was so furious with that decision that either he went AWOL or he was told to leave because he was being so disruptive. Instead of cooling off, and as soon as his daughter comes home from school, he videos himself playing basketball and within about 1 2 hours, he posts that video on his internet feed. The message couldnt be more clear. He is saying he is not injured. How anyone could take the position that that video is not Crosby calling Spytek a liar (and all the other implications that immediately follow ie draft slot manipulation) using a cowardly passive-aggressive tactic is beyond me. So we are supposed to not notice this connection. The idea that this was just a coincidental unrelated video with no meaning or message whatsoever is so ludicrous that it doesn't even pass the laugh test. And the cherry on top is that all of this controversy that he created might give a sought-after candidate apprehension about taking the HC job.

And you ask, "why should a player show loyalty to their team that can trade or cut them at will?" Because they are paying his salary. I have no compunction about a player seeking the best deal for himself and his family. But signing on the line that is dotted comes with the responsibility to abide by a code of conduct. And its not so much that loyalty is owed, but rather the commitment to follow the code of conduct. And undermining and disparaging your CEO is not a player's prerogative under that code. I dont know what your work environment is, but if you work in a corporate environment, and one day you fly into a rage over a management decision, either walk away or are told to leave, and then you make a post on social media disparaging your CEO or company, I can tell you exactly what will happen the next day when you report for work. Security will be waiting for you to escort you around while you gather up your personal belongings and escort you out. And that's a fact.

The bottom line is that having a "leader" like this is counterproductive when you are trying to instill a good organizational culture.

[Reno Hightower]

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[Cruisin with Tooz]

Jesus, you wrote a book to try and prove a point you can never prove because you are using a subjective argument but are trying to make it objective. It is not. If you were a cow, you would have to render yourself!!

In the first place, I dont have to prove my point. It is an opinion I expressed, which I supported with known observations, knowledge of human behavior and past observations of his behavior. You can take it or leave it. But the contention that his intent was not to disparage Spytek is not tenable. All of the circumstantial evidence available strongly suggests the opposite.

[Cruisin with Tooz]

He did not commit any form of insubordination.

https://www.google.com/search?q=example ... s-wiz-serp

Youre the gift that keeps giving!!!!
Keep it up!!!

[NewEraX25]

https://www.google.com/search?q=example ... s-wiz-serp

Youre the gift that keeps giving!!!!
Keep it up!!!

refusing to perform assigned tasks, leaving early without permission, arguing, using abusive language, or publicly undermining management.

What exactly did Maxx do that met these requirements?

[Cruisin with Tooz]

refusing to perform assigned tasks, leaving early without permission, arguing, using abusive language, or publicly undermining management.

What exactly did Maxx do that met these requirements?

Expand the link and take your pick:

Insubordination in the workplace involves an employee intentionally disregarding, defying, or showing disrespect toward authority, such as refusing direct orders, ignoring policies, or sabotaging work. Common examples include refusing to perform assigned tasks, leaving early without permission, arguing, using abusive language, or publicly undermining management.
Common Examples of Insubordination
Refusing Direct Orders/Tasks: Explicitly saying "no" to a supervisor's reasonable assignment or deliberately doing it incorrectly.
Disrespectful Behavior: Using foul language, engaging in yelling, or making aggressive gestures toward a manager.
Ignoring Company Policies: Repeatedly violating safety, attendance, or operational rules, such as refusing to clock in/out.
Undermining Authority: Mocking, ridiculing, or publicly questioning a manager’s competence or decisions to embarrass them.
Sabotaging Work: Intentionally hindering, delaying, or damaging team projects, workflows, or company property.
Leaving/Absence: Abandoning shifts, leaving work early without authorization, or failing to report to work without notice.
Disrespectful Communication: Using a condescending tone, rolling eyes, or refusing to answer follow-up questions from management.
Key Considerations

[rhumbob]

Successful athletes get preferential treatment as they come of age. They get full of themselves and tend to act out. A lot like famous celebrities and billionaires. To me, what Crosby says on the internet is meaningless. Just noise.

The guy wants to play every down. He never takes a play off. He has a relentless drive to win. That's what he gets paid for, that's what he does. His fulfilled his part of the bargain.

[chucker]

Time to agree to disagree as you keep rehashing the same points and continue to interpret them differently. No more of the pissing match please.

Thanks

[NewEraX25]

Expand the link and take your pick:

Insubordination in the workplace involves an employee intentionally disregarding, defying, or showing disrespect toward authority, such as refusing direct orders, ignoring policies, or sabotaging work. Common examples include refusing to perform assigned tasks, leaving early without permission, arguing, using abusive language, or publicly undermining management.
Common Examples of Insubordination
Refusing Direct Orders/Tasks: Explicitly saying "no" to a supervisor's reasonable assignment or deliberately doing it incorrectly.
Disrespectful Behavior: Using foul language, engaging in yelling, or making aggressive gestures toward a manager.
Ignoring Company Policies: Repeatedly violating safety, attendance, or operational rules, such as refusing to clock in/out.
Undermining Authority: Mocking, ridiculing, or publicly questioning a manager’s competence or decisions to embarrass them.
Sabotaging Work: Intentionally hindering, delaying, or damaging team projects, workflows, or company property.
Leaving/Absence: Abandoning shifts, leaving work early without authorization, or failing to report to work without notice.
Disrespectful Communication: Using a condescending tone, rolling eyes, or refusing to answer follow-up questions from management.
Key Considerations

LOL so you want me to do the leg work? Naw no thanks. This is just sad.

[riseNraid09]

Expand the link and take your pick:

Insubordination in the workplace involves an employee intentionally disregarding, defying, or showing disrespect toward authority, such as refusing direct orders, ignoring policies, or sabotaging work. Common examples include refusing to perform assigned tasks, leaving early without permission, arguing, using abusive language, or publicly undermining management.
Common Examples of Insubordination
Refusing Direct Orders/Tasks: Explicitly saying "no" to a supervisor's reasonable assignment or deliberately doing it incorrectly.
Disrespectful Behavior: Using foul language, engaging in yelling, or making aggressive gestures toward a manager.
Ignoring Company Policies: Repeatedly violating safety, attendance, or operational rules, such as refusing to clock in/out.
Undermining Authority: Mocking, ridiculing, or publicly questioning a manager’s competence or decisions to embarrass them.
Sabotaging Work: Intentionally hindering, delaying, or damaging team projects, workflows, or company property.
Leaving/Absence: Abandoning shifts, leaving work early without authorization, or failing to report to work without notice.
Disrespectful Communication: Using a condescending tone, rolling eyes, or refusing to answer follow-up questions from management.
Key Considerations

this is all just petty shit. "uhh! you didn't follow section 3, paragraph 13, rule 21 in the employee manual!!"

no one is about to come out and say that man is insubordinate over some shit like this. -_____- he has put up with some serious bullshit... he has earned his right to vent. I don't give a shit. he's a dude who, at the end of the day, is going to handle his shit.

[BG3428]

This might be the dumbest debate I’ve ever read in this forum.