Cousins signs with Raiders

[chucker]

I don't love this. I get it, but I don't love it.

[mstrbass2000]

I think we can get by with what we have, but I have to admit that it would be nice to have an impactful WR that opposing defenses would have to account for on every single play and would even double team at times, which of course, could free up the other receivers.

yes ...exactly !!!

we need a wr1 at x to threaten and open up offense bowers/bech/jeanty

[DanKD]

I think WR is still a big need. Tucker is in the last year of his contract and its extremely difficult to get a quality receiver at a reasonable price in free agency if at all.

[raiderjohn]

I think WR is still a big need. Tucker is in the last year of his contract and its extremely difficult to get a quality receiver at a reasonable price in free agency if at all.

Given the size, Tucker probably won't see a 2nd deal with the Raiders, which probably at worst translates to a comp pick in 2028.

[DanKD]

Given the size, Tucker probably won't see a 2nd deal with the Raiders, which probably at worst translates to a comp pick in 2028.

People misunderstand comp picks. You dont get comp picks for players unless you dont sign someone who cancels them out. Just like this year, with our projected cap room next off-season and poor prior drafting, its unlikely we will be in line for any comp picks next year.

[KillerRaider30]

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[KillerRaider30]

I'm down for that. The two scenarios are not similar. He was directly asked about Geno. Klint of his own accord brought up Tre. Take that as you will. Klint if anything is a very straight forward type of dude. I'm not a huge fan of Tre but I've seen with my own eyes the explosive ability he has. IMO, Nailor is going to show out at receiver. I'm a big believer in him. With the ground game emphasis + play action + Klints statements on Tre I'm quite certain he's going to have a solid role. Height to me again, is just not part of the equation at all. Tre proved he can play on shit offenses already

lol
When they brought up Geno he said,
Every possible avenue.
He just left out the but as in every possible avenue but...

[Cruisin with Tooz]

I wouldn't take too much stock in Kubiak's words about Tucker. I mean what else is he supposed to say about one of his players?

Even if a player flat out sucks, I don't recall any coach saying it as such...and it's pretty much the same way with most any sports team.

Buddy Ryan said he would trade Earnest Jackson for a 6 pack of beer, and it didnt even have to be cold. Does that count?

[raider_kin]

Buddy Ryan said he would trade Earnest Jackson for a 6 pack of beer, and it didnt even have to be cold. Does that count?

Buddy Ryan was a pus filled chancre.

[raidersince63]

Buddy Ryan said he would trade Earnest Jackson for a 6 pack of beer, and it didnt even have to be cold. Does that count?

lol...no, that does not count.

[Attyla]

It’s known colloquially as “coach speak”.

Geno of course is definitely not one of those options. Coaches really drive home the adage that it is genuinely wiser to trust a man’s actions over his words.

I think it best we just lay down some Raider Station Silver Dollars on whether Tucker is a Raider next year. Attlya get in here and broker this “GoodTime” bet please.

Edit: I’ve got a smidge over 50k and you’ve got a hair over 20k. So let’s make it a 20k bet.

OK so I missed this the first time. Here is my take.

He is a free agent next year so his current deal will be redone whoever he plays for. I would say that up until now, he has played at the level of his contract. He would give a bit back to redo a deal with the Raiders but this season is where it matters. He is putting on an audition this year so I am willing to bet he plays up to get that next deal juiced up.

I think you have to go odds here, but that usually requires a stack. So how about this, fellas, you both throw down 20K on this bet.

Tre Tucker resigns with the Raiders and the odds sit at 5:1. So if he resigns, that is 100K and I will pony up the 80K If he does not resign, the loser pushes 20K to the winner and we call it a day. Fair? I like a good cage match and am willing to pay out to see one. But I get one last addendum to this. After each game, I want to see some good smack talk from the two of you.

[Atlasffa]

Disclosure--I did not read all 50 pages of this thread. From the pages I did read, I was dismayed at some of the comments. Seems some posters believe KC is selfish, greedy, self-centered, etc. Wow. Didn't expect so many negatives about him--especially about him as a person and not as a football player. I read an article about Kirk that addresses the "character issues" some people seem to think is a problem with him.

Link to article:
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/730984 ... ael-penix/

Excerpts:

Penix is the most recent alum of the Kirk Cousins School of Football, which includes access to nearly 15 years of meticulously detailed game-plan notes and 171 NFL starts worth of experience — but also extracurricular courses such as Obscure Movie Lines and Deep Cuts From the “Wizard of Oz” Soundtrack.

It can be a lot for a child of this century to absorb.

“When Kirk got in the league, I was 12 years old,” said Penix, who was drafted in 2024, the same year Atlanta signed Cousins to a free-agent contract.

Penix and Cousins played together for two seasons with the Falcons, and the transition process on the field was never as smooth as the franchise hoped it would be. Penix replaced a benched Cousins in Year 1. Cousins was released after Year 2, with two years left on his deal, and the general manager and head coach who acquired both were fired this offseason.

The Raiders are hoping the Cousins-Mendoza pairing is less messy for all parties. Despite how things ended in Atlanta, Penix hopes it will be.

Mendoza “is going to get a great guy, before the football player,” Penix said. “You look at Kirk as a man, as a husband, as a father — he has always been great. Obviously, for Fernando, his first year coming up, I know he’s gonna be able to work with Kirk, and Kirk’s going to be there for him.”

Despite Cousins’ surprise that Penix was drafted so high almost immediately after his signing, Cousins took Penix under his wing immediately in Atlanta. The quarterbacks lived in the same Atlanta neighborhood and sometimes rode together to Mercedes-Benz Stadium for home games or the airport for away games. After head coach Raheem Morris informed Cousins that he was giving Penix the starting QB job late in the 2024 season, Cousins called Penix to offer his support while driving home from the meeting, Cousins’ wife, Julie, told Netflix for the “Quarterback” documentary.

How else did Cousins support the younger Penix?

“The person that he was for me, just helping me make sure I was locked in each and every day, making sure that I understood some of the reads, some of the things that you would get in the league,” Penix said. “Kirk is definitely gonna help (Mendoza) understand getting through your reads, understanding when to eliminate different route concepts so that you can get to the back side and continue to play great football.”

Cousins was replaced by Penix after one of the worst stretches of his career — a five-game span in which he threw nine interceptions and one touchdown — but teammates lauded his handling of the situation.

“With Kirk being so supportive and helping Mike out, it has been super huge,” Falcons running back Bijan Robinson said at the time. “Sometimes when a switch like that happens, one guy will be upset or in his feelings, but Kirk was right there for him every step of the way.”

The ups and downs of Cousins’ career have become part of his leadership lessons.

“There is no doubt for all of us that we have had things we wish went differently,” Cousins said, “and you have to find ways to keep going and believe if you do that, good things will happen.”

Quarterback is not the only position accepted at Cousins’ school. In fact, the most successful graduate of the program so far is a wide receiver: Minnesota’s Justin Jefferson. Jefferson was drafted by the Vikings before Cousins’ third year in Minnesota and posted 1,400 receiving yards as a rookie.

Cousins’ response: “You don’t have to do anything different next year, but can you do it again?”

“You’d be surprised how hard it is to go get 1,400 yards again,” Cousins said. “And he got 1,600. And I said, ‘But can you lead the league in receiving and do it again?’ And he got 1,800 yards.”

Those are the sorts of yearly and even daily challenges Mendoza can expect in Las Vegas.

[Hellbound]

Disclosure--I did not read all 50 pages of this thread. From the pages I did read, I was dismayed at some of the comments. Seems some posters believe KC is selfish, greedy, self-centered, etc. Wow. Didn't expect so many negatives about him--especially about him as a person and not as a football player. I read an article about Kirk that addresses the "character issues" some people seem to think is a problem with him.

Link to article:
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/730984 ... ael-penix/

Excerpts:

Penix is the most recent alum of the Kirk Cousins School of Football, which includes access to nearly 15 years of meticulously detailed game-plan notes and 171 NFL starts worth of experience — but also extracurricular courses such as Obscure Movie Lines and Deep Cuts From the “Wizard of Oz” Soundtrack.

It can be a lot for a child of this century to absorb.

“When Kirk got in the league, I was 12 years old,” said Penix, who was drafted in 2024, the same year Atlanta signed Cousins to a free-agent contract.

Penix and Cousins played together for two seasons with the Falcons, and the transition process on the field was never as smooth as the franchise hoped it would be. Penix replaced a benched Cousins in Year 1. Cousins was released after Year 2, with two years left on his deal, and the general manager and head coach who acquired both were fired this offseason.

The Raiders are hoping the Cousins-Mendoza pairing is less messy for all parties. Despite how things ended in Atlanta, Penix hopes it will be.

Mendoza “is going to get a great guy, before the football player,” Penix said. “You look at Kirk as a man, as a husband, as a father — he has always been great. Obviously, for Fernando, his first year coming up, I know he’s gonna be able to work with Kirk, and Kirk’s going to be there for him.”

Despite Cousins’ surprise that Penix was drafted so high almost immediately after his signing, Cousins took Penix under his wing immediately in Atlanta. The quarterbacks lived in the same Atlanta neighborhood and sometimes rode together to Mercedes-Benz Stadium for home games or the airport for away games. After head coach Raheem Morris informed Cousins that he was giving Penix the starting QB job late in the 2024 season, Cousins called Penix to offer his support while driving home from the meeting, Cousins’ wife, Julie, told Netflix for the “Quarterback” documentary.

How else did Cousins support the younger Penix?

“The person that he was for me, just helping me make sure I was locked in each and every day, making sure that I understood some of the reads, some of the things that you would get in the league,” Penix said. “Kirk is definitely gonna help (Mendoza) understand getting through your reads, understanding when to eliminate different route concepts so that you can get to the back side and continue to play great football.”

Cousins was replaced by Penix after one of the worst stretches of his career — a five-game span in which he threw nine interceptions and one touchdown — but teammates lauded his handling of the situation.

“With Kirk being so supportive and helping Mike out, it has been super huge,” Falcons running back Bijan Robinson said at the time. “Sometimes when a switch like that happens, one guy will be upset or in his feelings, but Kirk was right there for him every step of the way.”

The ups and downs of Cousins’ career have become part of his leadership lessons.

“There is no doubt for all of us that we have had things we wish went differently,” Cousins said, “and you have to find ways to keep going and believe if you do that, good things will happen.”

Quarterback is not the only position accepted at Cousins’ school. In fact, the most successful graduate of the program so far is a wide receiver: Minnesota’s Justin Jefferson. Jefferson was drafted by the Vikings before Cousins’ third year in Minnesota and posted 1,400 receiving yards as a rookie.

Cousins’ response: “You don’t have to do anything different next year, but can you do it again?”

“You’d be surprised how hard it is to go get 1,400 yards again,” Cousins said. “And he got 1,600. And I said, ‘But can you lead the league in receiving and do it again?’ And he got 1,800 yards.”

Those are the sorts of yearly and even daily challenges Mendoza can expect in Las Vegas.

Living in West Michigan I can tell you that narrative was completely made up on this board. He still does stuff for the communities and local commercials and things. I've never heard a bad thing about him being a bad teammate dating back to his college days

[Atlasffa]

Living in West Michigan I can tell you that narrative was completely made up on this board. He still does stuff for the communities and local commercials and things. I've never heard a bad thing about him being a bad teammate dating back to his college days

As a Spartan, I have heard and read and seen a lot of Kirk. While his football play has been a bit up and down, I have never witnessed anyone say a bad thing about his character or his will to do his best for the team, even if that means he sits out. His leadership skills have always been stellar, even as a youngster in junior high school. Although he's been put in some very uncomfortable situations time and time again in his NFL career, he always handles it with grace. Total team guy. Period.

[Xramfan]

As a Spartan, I have heard and read and seen a lot of Kirk. While his football play has been a bit up and down, I have never witnessed anyone say a bad thing about his character or his will to do his best for the team, even if that means he sits out. His leadership skills have always been stellar, even as a youngster in junior high school. Although he's been put in some very uncomfortable situations time and time again in his NFL career, he always handles it with grace. Total team guy. Period.

Just watched today’s interview and Kirk seems genuine all around. I think his being here is nothing but a positive for everybody regardless if he starts or not. He seems to be a great guy in the QB room.

Good to see you’re back alfalfa!!!!

[Atlasffa]

Just watched today’s interview and Kirk seems genuine all around. I think his being here is nothing but a positive for everybody regardless if he starts or not. He seems to be a great guy in the QB room.

Good to see you’re back alfalfa!!!!

Last year's football fandom for me was the worst ever, Raiders and Spartans... Wasn't sure I would come back to post, or watch another football game ever, BUT, OMG, Kirk Cousins got signed to the Raiders. And Jalen Speedy Nailor. And Connor (son of Ironhead) Heyward. Three Spartans on the Raiders team?! How could I not be back. So both my teams have new coaches and here we go again... And I am forever thankful that, come November, MSU BBall will restore my optimism.