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Cruisin with Tooz wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 1:33 pm The way you phrased your premise is a bit off. I think the question youre getting at is, "Does having a dual threat qb help or hurt your chances of winning a SB?" The qb doesnt have to be the actual rush leader that year does he? If 1 qb rushes for 1000 yards and another rushes for 900 and wins the SB, doesnt that count?

#1. Steve Young only won 1 SB. Joe Montana won the other 2. So only 3 SB winning teams had dual threat qbs.
#2. You cant use 60 SBs as the denominator because the dual threat era didnt start until 1990ish with Steve Young. So use 36 as your denominator.
#3. Who are the dual threat qbs? Here's my list:
Lamar Jackson, Michael Vick, Cam Newton, Russell Wilson, Randall Cunningham, Josh Allen, Steve Young, Justin Fields, Kyler Murray, Jalen Hurts and Jayden Daniels. Eleven total spanning 36 years, and prolly shouldnt even include Daniels since he just started playing. So 10 dual threat qbs have won 3 SBs.
#4.And 33 SBs (11 times as many) were won by single threat qbs over the last 36 years.
#5.If there are exactly 110 or 11 times (110 = 11 x 10) as many single threat qbs as dual threat qbs, then having a dual threat qb wouldnt make a difference either way in the chance of winning a SB. If there are less than 11x as many, then having a dual threat qb would be a disadvantage. If there are more than 11x as many, then having a dual threat qb would be an advantage.
#6. How many single threat qbs have played since 1990? More than 110 or less than 110? There are 32 teams. Over the last 36 years has each team on average not had more than 4 different starting qbs? The team with the greatest stability at qb is GB. And they had three (Favre, Rodgers and Love) over the last 30 years. And that doesnt even go back 36 years. On the other side of the spectrum, Cle has had more than 30 different qbs over that span. If you go team by team and add it up, there are >>>>>>>>110 single threat qbs who have been NFL starters since 1990. So, as I wrote, dual threat qbs have won more than their share of SBs.
#7. I wouldnt find it fair if we each slapped down $50, but that's not what happened. Id be fine if you slapped down $80 and I slapped down $20.

GoodTimeCharlie wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 4:06 pm I got a little lost in the weeds here,

Cruisin with Tooz wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 4:20 pm Dual threats qbs have won 3 of 36 SBs in the dual threat era. Thats 8.3%. Dual threat qbs have made up significantly less than 8.3% of qbs. Having a dual threat qb is not an impediment to winning a SB, providing that he is not actually a RB that can complete a pass type of dual threat qb.

Attyla wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 4:23 pm We are drafting a duel threat, he is talented and smart

BoKnows81 wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 4:37 pm For QB, the mental is the most important and probably always will be.

BoKnows81 wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 4:37 pm For QB, the mental is the most important and probably always will be.

Toast wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 4:54 pm That's exactly right.

In regards to dual-threat QB's it is how they are defined and how they use their mobility. Jim Plunkett was a dual threat QB, even late in his career his mobility while lumbering was effective. Rich Gannon was also a dual-threat QB, so was Elway as was Ben Roethlisberger.

At some point the game slows down enough for some that they learn to use their mobility in opportunistic situations or to enhance their survivability in a cluttered pocket. The ones that can't make the reads tuck and run as soon as things break down. Game film generally catches up with them or they get injured, either way they do not last.

Most of today's QB's could be considered dual-threat. Mahomes amongst them.

GoodTimeCharlie wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 5:04 pm We should probably add one more tier in honor of AOC. So…
“Immobile”
“Pocket Passer”
“Dual Threat”
“Running QB”

GoodTimeCharlie wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 5:04 pm We should probably add one more tier in honor of AOC. So…
“Immobile”
“Pocket Passer”
“Dual Threat”
“Running QB”

Toast wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 5:08 pm LoL-running QB is a euphemism for most Ohio State signal callers. They don't read and react they panic and run.

Toast wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 4:54 pm That's exactly right.

In regards to dual-threat QB's it is how they are defined and how they use their mobility. Jim Plunkett was a dual threat QB earlier in his career. He ran the option under Chuck Fairbanks, even late in his career his mobility while lumbering was effective. Rich Gannon was also a dual-threat QB, so was Elway as was Ben Roethlisberger, Donovan McNabb, so forth...

At some point the game slows down enough for some that they learn to use their mobility in opportunistic situations or to enhance their survivability in a cluttered pocket. The ones that can't make the reads tuck and run as soon as things break down. Game film generally catches up with them or they get injured, either way they do not last.

Most of today's QB's could be considered dual-threat. Mahomes amongst them.

Viper wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 6:09 pm Knowing when to tuck it and run, take the yards and not forcing it is almost a lost art these days. Mahomes is the absolute master at it.

Goodtimes333 wrote: Sun Mar 08, 2026 6:28 pm Tiptoeing up the sidelines. Always looking for a flag when he gets hit. No one lights him up because it's a guaranteed flag