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I didn't see a thread yet, I wanted Pete to be able to stay a few years to rebuild us back, but it is clear to me that he is clueless on how to fix what is broken. We have made the same mistakes every week, with no corrections. He has to go! Thoughts?

DanKD wrote: Tue Dec 30, 2025 9:55 am Yet somehow this coaching staff thought focusing on playing and developing Thornton ahead of him was the right move

Yep. I think Thornton was a wasted pick. For as tall as he is he doesn't fight for balls at all.

Toast wrote: Tue Dec 30, 2025 9:24 am Also mean to ask you this. Do you feel that Buffalo, Detroit and Washington should fire their head coaches after this season concludes?

Buffalo should have fired the coach 2 years ago. It was clear he had peaked with that team. A defensive minded head coach who’s defense has let the team down in the playoffs every year.

At least we were smart enough not to fire him during the season. With the way McDaniels was losing the team, he may have led us to Daniels or Maye but screwed that up. We finally are finishing what we started

Oaktownonly wrote: Tue Dec 30, 2025 10:01 am Yep. I think Thornton was a wasted pick. For as tall as he is he doesn't fight for balls at all.

Interesting stat.

Of all the rookie WR, Thorton had the 2nd highest QBR when targeted and highest YAC.

Take from that what you will but I can say confidently that Pete was so bad this year, we don’t know what we have with this rookie class.

Corleone wrote: Tue Dec 30, 2025 12:37 pm Interesting stat.

Of all the rookie WR, Thorton had the 2nd highest QBR when targeted and highest YAC.

Take from that what you will but I can say confidently that Pete was so bad this year, we don’t know what we have with this rookie class.

I was purely going on the eye test. I'm getting up there in years so I guess my eyes aren't seeing what the stats are showing.

Agree with you on Pete.

Oaktownonly wrote: Tue Dec 30, 2025 1:16 pm I was purely going on the eye test. I'm getting up there in years so I guess my eyes aren't seeing what the stats are showing.

Agree with you on Pete.

So you are the Pete Carroll of posters?

Attyla wrote: Tue Dec 30, 2025 1:17 pm So you are the Pete Carroll of posters?

Oh, that is f[raiders_icon]cked up!

Corleone wrote: Tue Dec 30, 2025 12:37 pm Interesting stat.

Of all the rookie WR, Thorton had the 2nd highest QBR when targeted and highest YAC.

Take from that what you will but I can say confidently that Pete was so bad this year, we don’t know what we have with this rookie class.

That's true, and once they finally started to give the rookies some time some of them showed what they are capable of...I was big on Tommy Eichenberg the day they drafted him...love the way he flies around the field with seemingly total disregard for his own body.

The Raiders' used to have a lot of those type players on defense.

raidersince63 wrote: Tue Dec 30, 2025 1:26 pm That's true, and once they finally started to give the rookies some time some of them showed what they are capable of...I was big on Tommy Eichenberg the day they drafted him...love the way he flies around the field with seemingly total disregard for his own body.

The Raiders' used to have a lot of those type players on defense.

Tommy is a beast on Special Teams. I thought I heard he's a top 10 tackler. You see the hit he had the other day? Laid that boy out.

BoKnows81 wrote: Tue Dec 30, 2025 1:34 pm Tommy is a beast on Special Teams. I thought I heard he's a top 10 tackler. You see the hit he had the other day? Laid that boy out.

Yup, and aside from the fact that he's a good tackler, he's also a hard hitter on a Raiders squad full of "grabbers".

Corleone wrote: Tue Dec 30, 2025 12:37 pm Interesting stat.

Of all the rookie WR, Thorton had the 2nd highest QBR when targeted and highest YAC.

Take from that what you will but I can say confidently that Pete was so bad this year, we don’t know what we have with this rookie class.

In assuming you mean in college last year?

DanKD wrote: Tue Dec 30, 2025 2:02 pm In assuming you mean in college last year?

Yes but we didn’t even get to see it because Pete preferred to trot out 60 year old Lockett despite the season being over.

LayneStaley wrote: Mon Dec 29, 2025 9:56 pm https://www.raidersbeat.com/raiders-gm- ... ports-say/

Let Spy pick the coach. Brady and MD have failed. Chip was a horrible hire too.

All these articles are rumored or quote according to another beat reporter or source.
They paint a narrative and fans blindly go with it.

I still believe that Geno Smith made Thorton look a lot worse than he was.

Thorton has had two clean deep balls thrown his way: 1 against the Patriots which he caught (still had to slow down for it) and then the ONLY good deep ball Geno threw all season against the Broncos which Thorton dropped.

All the other passes were underthrown. Why do I have to slow down and fight for a jump ball if I have my man beat soundly?

A better QB and Thorton doesn't look nearly as bad. A better coach and Thorton gets more reps to get comfortable and closer to realizing his potential.

Thornton had f[raiders_icon]cking 29 targets this year from the worst QB in the league. Anyone that thinks they can properly evaluate him based on that is clueless. And I'm not even a Thornton fan. Was he a wasted pick? Probably. But we can't determine if he's any good yet.