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Mike Tice once said while coaching for the Raiders: “If you look at the offense like a fancy car, the offensive line is the engine. Even though we might have nice spinners and nice rims and tinted windows and some neat paint job, it doesn’t mean crap without the engine. If the engine’s not working, the car might look like a pretty nice car, but it’s a piece of crap.” And he was 100% right. I wish we had him back. Changes must be made on the O-line. Charles Grant is a very athletic lineman. We should give him some reps at right tackle. Bring back Powers-Johnson as the starter at center. Parham has got to go. Maybe we should consider moving Meredith back to guard. He did so well there last year.

Attyla wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2026 2:55 pm no why would I give him some grace? Over 300 snaps he was on the field. He did shit. I don't give grace to athletes, they either produce or get axed. That is how the business of football works, you get just enough rope to hang yourself. I was the exact same with all the guys you gave "grace" to like Washington

They're all "athletes" at this level. Minus some exceptions.

By your logic, Tucker shouldn't have a chance to do what he's doing now, because his numbers most of his career are not impressive at all. He started out as a decoy to get Adams open.

For those interested, Tuckers stats as a rookie:
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... elog/2023/

Darn those pesky facts.

mranquales wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2026 3:00 pm They're all "athletes" at this level. Minus some exceptions.

By your logic, Tucker shouldn't have a chance to do what he's doing now, because his numbers most of his career are not impressive at all. He started out as a decoy to get Adams open.

you keep bringing up Tucker like I have defended him even once. Which I have not. But his rookie year, he almost doubled the number of catches Thornton had. And yes, this is a production business. If we reduce the standard to show "grace" we continue to suck

Thornton up until now has sucked. Why give a guy a pass because some fan has a man crush on the guy. I want to win and he has never contributed to a win.

Attyla wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2026 3:23 pm Thornton up until now has sucked. Why give a guy a pass because some fan has a man crush on the guy. I want to win and he has never contributed to a win.

Negative.

What I've objectively observed from Thorton, Benson, Young, and Nailor lead me to believe that Thorton is the better player of the bunch. Plus, Thorton is a threat that defenses have to respect even as a decoy, that makes him an asset over the other receivers. Thorton has an impact by virtue of just being on the field.

mranquales wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2026 4:03 pm Negative.

What I've objectively observed from Thorton, Benson, Young, and Nailor lead me to believe that Thorton is the better player of the bunch. Plus, Thorton is a threat that defenses have to respect even as a decoy, that makes him an asset over the other receivers. Thorton has an impact by virtue of just being on the field.

how is a guy with 10 career passes a threat to anyone? After 300+ snaps?

you have a man crush that defies actual production. You brought up Tucker until I destroyed that argument. Now you are moving the goalposts. Pathetic

Attyla wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2026 4:10 pm how is a guy with 10 career passes a threat to anyone? After 300+ snaps?

you have a man crush that defies actual production. You brought up Tucker until I destroyed that argument. Now you are moving the goalposts. Pathetic

Watch the film and you will see how defenses lined up when Thorton was out there versus when he's not.

How did the O line thread end up with Mrankles dragging his loyal followers around? Thortpn? Murray? Tyree Wilson?This is sad.Man you guys jump when he says to

mranquales wrote: Tue Oct 27, 2026 4:12 pm Watch the film and you will see how defenses lined up when Thorton was out there versus when he's not.

what was the result? 10 catches and 3 wins

Great film. He has been shit

People talking about Linderbaum and not playing up even close to his salary.

I never watched any film of him when he was a raven. Maybe he is the product of the how good the rest of the ravens offensive line is? Anyone watched film of him when he was a raven?