He's back! Maxx Crosby merged superthread

[Corleone]

Tank is full speed ahead!

[GoodTimeCharlie]

Crosby still decked out in Raiders gear.

Now that fella right there is the epitome of “douche”.

[Marzan]

I love Maxx, he's a true Raider. That said, as far as a pure pass rusher there's probably 5-6 other edge guys I'd rather have than him easily. He has no bull rush whatsoever. Many of his sacks are coverage sacks.

He's a leader and he's a tone setter. He's probably the best edge guy against the run in the entire league. He's never had a major injury. He deflects passes. His motor & passion is second to none.

All in all, I wouldn't be in a hurry to trade him. There has to be true value given back due to the fact of trading a proven asset (for unproven picks) whose never had a major injury, who happens to be a rockstar of a leader. There is a bit of drama. His bullshit tantrum to close the year was stupid. That jackassery mindset could have f[raiders_icon]cked the Raiders out of Mendoza. That would have f[raiders_icon]cked the Raiders out of a Kubiak. You get the point.

Finally, keep in mind he's under contract until 2029. For a good price IMO. The Raiders have a lot of leverage. If they don't get a good return offer for him they can keep him. To me that's not playing hard ball. He's got a contract and the team isn't trying to f[raiders_icon]ck him. To NOT be willing to just offload him for whatever is common sense. He also would have no choice in destination if his preferred destinations can't anty up.

Spot on. If he really wants to leave after seeing and meeting our new coaching staff, then fine. But his agent has to find suitable compensation (imo 2 firsts or a first and player). If the compensation is not adequate, he's under contract and has to suit up if he wants to get paid. Accept no low balling offers. We don't need to dump salary.

[Viper]

If they trade Maxx,The Raiders should look to accumulate picks for next year as well as extra picks this year, this makes many more teams an attractive option for the Raiders to trade with. With the bumper crop of QBs coming out, a lot of non QB talent will get pushed down the board next year. Having extra picks next year would give them much more flexibility to maneuver up and down the draft board. Maybe something like a 1 and 3 this year and a 1 and 2 next year could be an attractive option for the Raiders.

Teams won’t dare give that much up for a soon to be 29 yo Maxx. He will be amongst the league’s most sought after players, but that’s quite a ransom.

[WNYRAIDER]

I highly doubt Klint Kubiak agreed to come here with Max Crosby being the main reason why. He has the #1 overall pick with a couple stud pieces on offense in place. Fernando is his type of quarterback. A few years ago he was asked what he looks for in a QB draft prospect and the traits he listed is Mendoza to a T. Won games in college, decision making, accuracy, read a defense. Crosby doesn't deter that

I agree, but will add that icing on the cake was that the cupboard is nowhere near bare on offense, and there are some very good pieces to help him get accustomed to the big leagues, and to do well early on. ....this offense brutally under-performed last year with chip and the Pete's kid, and while we all know we need line help, I also think that with that gang is nowhere near as pathetic as they were made to look last year. ...no one even knew their assignments half way in, for God's sake. ....the players who had to deal with that will be thrilled to be moving on to a professional system, and with competent coaches.

[Trainnvain]

Teams won’t dare give that much up for a soon to be 29 yo Maxx. He will be amongst the league’s most sought after players, but that’s quite a ransom.

Start the bidding high and negotiate down. I think a 1 and 3 this year and a 1 next would be a good middle ground. All of his injuries seem relatively minor and he is two years away from 30. He's a good pass rusher and a great run defender, with managed snaps a team can be convinced to give this much up. If not, keep him until the trade deadline and start the process again. Having more picks in next year's stronger draft should be the strategy, in my opinion.

[Viper]

Start the bidding high and negotiate down. I think a 1 and 3 this year and a 1 next would be a good middle ground. All of his injuries seem relatively minor and he is two years away from 30. He's a good pass rusher and a great run defender, with managed snaps a team can be convinced to give this much up. If not, keep him until the trade deadline and start the process again. Having more picks in next year's stronger draft should be the strategy, in my opinion.

However the process plays out Spy needs to keep it as low key as possible, assuming they trade him. We need every advantage, angle and leverage with the one asset just about every team wants. There will be a bidding war and yes, we should start high. I think it’s realistic to expect a 1st, 3rd and a player thrown in.

[Willmark]

We hold every advantage if indeed he is done. If it comes down to it hold him to the letter of his contract. He is sits out? Call his bluff.

Unlike with Carr where his contract favored him, I don’t see a lot of ways Maxx can easily force his way out. Hopefully it’s nothing but if it is we protect the Raiders interests first and foremost.

[chucker]

We hold every advantage if indeed he is done. If it comes down to it hold him to the letter of his contract. He is sits out? Call his bluff.

Unlike with Carr I don’t see a lot of ways he can easily force his way out.

If he stays, he'll give 100% all the time. There's no reason to let him go for less than elite edge rusher value.

The discussion of "it's two first rounders or a 1 and a 2 or whatever" has to consider the relative value of first round picks. The 10th pick in the draft would typically be worth double, or more, than what picks at the bottom of the first are worth. So trade discussions have to get very specific before you can evaluate them.

[Goodtimes333]

I agree, but will add that icing on the cake was that the cupboard is nowhere near bare on offense, and there are some very good pieces to help him get accustomed to the big leagues, and to do well early on. ....this offense brutally under-performed last year with chip and the Pete's kid, and while we all know we need line help, I also think that with that gang is nowhere near as pathetic as they were made to look last year. ...no one even knew their assignments half way in, for God's sake. ....the players who had to deal with that will be thrilled to be moving on to a professional system, and with competent coaches.

Completely agree. That's a great point even many Raider fans don't realize. I've come to notice that many think this Raider team is expansion team level talent. Absolutely not! They were a nut hair away from beating the NFC north champ Bears & AFC South champ Jaguars. Lost on the last play of the games. They realistically should have beat Denver in Denver, they thoroughly outplayed them. They had the playoff Texans buttholes puckered in Houston. Let's appreciate the absolute miracle that the Raiders ended up with the #1 overall pick boys. The Raiders got f[raiders_icon]cked without no butter when it comes to coach, battle plan and scheme. They also had a QB who was handing out picks like he was mother Teresa feeding the poor. There's plenty of upgrades needed, for sure, but it's not as bad as many seem to think.

[Goodtimes333]

Also, if Kubiak isn't getting a Maxx Crosby on his roster he's getting valuable building assets back to go with the mountain of building assets the Raiders already have.

Say just for example the Raiders get two 1st round picks for Maxx. They aren't only getting those picks, they're also getting 35 mil in cap space. That alone pays for a Linderbaum (if he reaches fa) and another solid starter. With 90+ million left over after that after Geno is cut/other moves

[Trainnvain]

If he stays, he'll give 100% all the time. There's no reason to let him go for less than elite edge rusher value.

The discussion of "it's two first rounders or a 1 and a 2 or whatever" has to consider the relative value of first round picks. The 10th pick in the draft would typically be worth double, or more, than what picks at the bottom of the first are worth. So trade discussions have to get very specific before you can evaluate them.

Completely agree, I was just thinking out loud. I don't think this is a great draft to stockpile high draft picks, trading for next year's picks would create more value both in the quality of player and quantity of picks; a future pick holds less value than a current year pick.

[chucker]

Completely agree, I was just thinking out loud. I don't think this is a great draft to stockpile high draft picks, trading for next year's picks would create more value both in the quality of player and quantity of picks; a future pick holds less value than a current year pick.

I would rather draft players this year and let them learn so they're more ready to really perform in 2027, which IMO is the realistic beginning of Mendoza's competitive window. I don't count on production from rookies like some people do - yes there are rookies who ball out, but those are the outliers.

[NoThanksSir]

I really hope we get a deal done, and that the package includes a 1st this year. I like the idea of getting a 1st round talent in addition to our franchise QB. The WR market is rough right now too, so drafting a receiver this year to pair with Mendoza would be ideal.


Personally, I'm done with Maxx. His crash out after we shut him down for the year was the last straw for me after his previous antics. Dude needed knee surgery and was acting like an egotistical child when we told him he couldn't play. Seeing Bowers on the sideline with his teammates that game, and Maxx removed himself from the building while posting passive aggressive stuff on his social media cemented it for me. I simply don't like the guy, his personality, and what he brings to the locker room. He only cares about himself, and his own legacy. It's why he has a two story high mural of himself alongside Kobe and MJ. I'm glad Spytek is brokering any possible deal and not me, because my price is low in comparison to his value. I simply don't want him in the building anymore.

[Attyla]

Maxx was on the sidelines too.

[NoThanksSir]

Maxx was on the sidelines too.

The vid he posted playing basketball was published during the game. It's possible to pre-publish posts like that, so I won't say it's impossible. But I also saw Bowers on the sideline that game but not Maxx. Do you have proof?

Edit:

https://raiderswire.usatoday.com/story/ ... 939627007/