He's back! Maxx Crosby merged superthread

[Corleone]

Tank is full speed ahead!

[GoodTimeCharlie]

The way you phrased your premise is a bit off. I think the question youre getting at is, "Does having a dual threat qb help or hurt your chances of winning a SB?" The qb doesnt have to be the actual rush leader that year does he? If 1 qb rushes for 1000 yards and another rushes for 900 and wins the SB, doesnt that count?

#1. Steve Young only won 1 SB. Joe Montana won the other 2. So only 3 SB winning teams had dual threat qbs.
#2. You cant use 60 SBs as the denominator because the dual threat era didnt start until 1990ish with Steve Young. So use 36 as your denominator.
#3. Who are the dual threat qbs? Here's my list:
Lamar Jackson, Michael Vick, Cam Newton, Russell Wilson, Randall Cunningham, Josh Allen, Steve Young, Justin Fields, Kyler Murray, Jalen Hurts and Jayden Daniels. Eleven total spanning 36 years, and prolly shouldnt even include Daniels since he just started playing. So 10 dual threat qbs have won 3 SBs.
#4.And 33 SBs (11 times as many) were won by single threat qbs over the last 36 years.
#5.If there are exactly 110 or 11 times (110 = 11 x 10) as many single threat qbs as dual threat qbs, then having a dual threat qb wouldnt make a difference either way in the chance of winning a SB. If there are less than 11x as many, then having a dual threat qb would be a disadvantage. If there are more than 11x as many, then having a dual threat qb would be an advantage.
#6. How many single threat qbs have played since 1990? More than 110 or less than 110? There are 32 teams. Over the last 36 years has each team on average not had more than 4 different starting qbs? The team with the greatest stability at qb is GB. And they had three (Favre, Rodgers and Love) over the last 30 years. And that doesnt even go back 36 years. On the other side of the spectrum, Cle has had more than 30 different qbs over that span. If you go team by team and add it up, there are >>>>>>>>110 single threat qbs who have been NFL starters since 1990. So, as I wrote, dual threat qbs have won more than their share of SBs.
#7. I wouldnt find it fair if we each slapped down $50, but that's not what happened. Id be fine if you slapped down $80 and I slapped down $20.

I got a little lost in the weeds here, but I’ll tell you what I saw. Part of the reason I commented at all was my transformation as a guy who gets wowed by QB athleticism, to a guy that sees Mendo as the perfect QB, even in this “modern” era where there are more and more QBs who come out with eye-popping combine numbers.

I was impressed by Lamar after his first few seasons. I was wowed by Anthony Richardson at his combine. This year, Taylen Green, meh. Maybe if he ever learns how to stay in the pocket for a bit and throw accurately.

Even looking at the past winning Super Bowl QBs, (I imagine I would come to the same results if I did a better and deeper study), those 3 Super Bowl winners are best described as “Duel-Threat”, like you said, but the “Running QBs” are nowhere to be seen. (And yes, I agree that we’ll need to revisit this in about 20 years.)

We’d have to figure out the numbers that perfectly qualify what a Pocket Passer/Duel Threat/Running QB is, but at first blush, it looks like it’s far better to have a Pocket Passer, than a Duel Threat, and a Running QB gets you excitement, but bupkis on the postseason hardware.

So just to boil it down. Glad we’re getting Mendo, a “pocket passer”, despite his supposed lack of athleticism. And Lamar, is never winning a Super Bowl (and by extension Maxx, for now). By the time even the best-armed “running QBs” learn to properly play in a pocket, the hits they’ve taken on the road to get there have shortened their career enough that it doesn’t matter.

[Cruisin with Tooz]

I got a little lost in the weeds here,

Dual threats qbs have won 3 of 36 SBs in the dual threat era. Thats 8.3%. Dual threat qbs have made up significantly less than 8.3% of qbs. Having a dual threat qb is not an impediment to winning a SB, providing that he is not actually a RB that can complete a pass type of dual threat qb.

[Attyla]

Dual threats qbs have won 3 of 36 SBs in the dual threat era. Thats 8.3%. Dual threat qbs have made up significantly less than 8.3% of qbs. Having a dual threat qb is not an impediment to winning a SB, providing that he is not actually a RB that can complete a pass type of dual threat qb.

We are drafting a duel threat, he is talented and smart

[GoodTimeCharlie]

We are drafting a duel threat, he is talented and smart

Spot on with that. The NFL has gotten so weak-kneed about whether or not a guy qualifies as smart/dumb, but I’d have a lot more interest in the combine if mental attributes were made to be as important as how high a guy can jump.

[BoKnows81]

For QB, the mental is the most important and probably always will be.

[Attyla]

For QB, the mental is the most important and probably always will be.

I mean Fitzgerald never had the arm talent but he hung around forever because he was smart as f[raiders_icon]ck. Our guy has the arm talent so I expect he is going to kill it

[Reno Hightower]

For QB, the mental is the most important and probably always will be.

That's exactly right.

In regards to dual-threat QB's it is how they are defined and how they use their mobility. Jim Plunkett was a dual threat QB earlier in his career. He ran the option under Chuck Fairbanks, even late in his career his mobility while lumbering was effective. Rich Gannon was also a dual-threat QB, so was Elway as was Ben Roethlisberger, Donovan McNabb, so forth...

At some point the game slows down enough for some that they learn to use their mobility in opportunistic situations or to enhance their survivability in a cluttered pocket. The ones that can't make the reads tuck and run as soon as things break down. Game film generally catches up with them or they get injured, either way they do not last.

Most of today's QB's could be considered dual-threat. Mahomes amongst them.

[GoodTimeCharlie]

That's exactly right.

In regards to dual-threat QB's it is how they are defined and how they use their mobility. Jim Plunkett was a dual threat QB, even late in his career his mobility while lumbering was effective. Rich Gannon was also a dual-threat QB, so was Elway as was Ben Roethlisberger.

At some point the game slows down enough for some that they learn to use their mobility in opportunistic situations or to enhance their survivability in a cluttered pocket. The ones that can't make the reads tuck and run as soon as things break down. Game film generally catches up with them or they get injured, either way they do not last.

Most of today's QB's could be considered dual-threat. Mahomes amongst them.

We should probably add one more tier in honor of AOC. So…
“Immobile”
“Pocket Passer”
“Dual Threat”
“Running QB”

[Cruisin with Tooz]

When you take into account the acquisition cost Bal paid to get Crosby, the effective total cost to them is about 65% higher than his $30 million salary or $50 million/year. And thats if he extends his current salary another 2-3 years. If they dont extend him, its even worse to spread the acquisition cost over 2 years instead of 4. Thats craycray. Im surprised that they jumped FA options.

[Reno Hightower]

We should probably add one more tier in honor of AOC. So…
“Immobile”
“Pocket Passer”
“Dual Threat”
“Running QB”

LoL-running QB is a euphemism for most Ohio State signal callers. They don't read and react they panic and run.

[Dank Sinatra]

We should probably add one more tier in honor of AOC. So…
“Immobile”
“Pocket Passer”
“Dual Threat”
“Running QB”

[Dr Death]

LoL-running QB is a euphemism for most Ohio State signal callers. They don't read and react they panic and run.

Yep. That's why I always say that Buckeye QB's will rarely make it in the NFL. Most are just RB's that play the QB position. Stroud may be the exception.

[Viper]

That's exactly right.

In regards to dual-threat QB's it is how they are defined and how they use their mobility. Jim Plunkett was a dual threat QB earlier in his career. He ran the option under Chuck Fairbanks, even late in his career his mobility while lumbering was effective. Rich Gannon was also a dual-threat QB, so was Elway as was Ben Roethlisberger, Donovan McNabb, so forth...

At some point the game slows down enough for some that they learn to use their mobility in opportunistic situations or to enhance their survivability in a cluttered pocket. The ones that can't make the reads tuck and run as soon as things break down. Game film generally catches up with them or they get injured, either way they do not last.

Most of today's QB's could be considered dual-threat. Mahomes amongst them.

Knowing when to tuck it and run, take the yards and not forcing it is almost a lost art these days. Mahomes is the absolute master at it.

[Goodtimes333]

Knowing when to tuck it and run, take the yards and not forcing it is almost a lost art these days. Mahomes is the absolute master at it.

Tiptoeing up the sidelines. Always looking for a flag when he gets hit. No one lights him up because it's a guaranteed flag

[Dr Death]

Tiptoeing up the sidelines. Always looking for a flag when he gets hit. No one lights him up because it's a guaranteed flag

The old Raiders wouldn't give two shits about lighting him up. Hit his ass and take the penalty. f[raiders_icon]ck em'.